
Jan 13, 2026
In July of 2000, two young people in Indianapolis, Indiana were killed in a crime that would later be overshadowed by one of the most infamous prison escapes in the state’s history.
Andrew Cataldi and Tricia Nordman were complicated, imperfect, real people, who made mistakes, but they were also more than the worst chapters of their pasts. Unfortunately, they were betrayed by the very people they trusted. Causing their murders to become tangled in the rise and fall of Sarah Jo Pender and Richard Hull — a case that would eventually grab national headlines when Sarah escaped from prison and disappeared.
While the world focused on the spectacle of her escape, the story of Andrew and Tricia quietly faded into the background.
This episode brings the focus back where it belongs — on two lives that were cut short, on the gray areas that make people human, and on the truth that a troubled past should never be a death sentence.
Because this story isn’t just about a fugitive.
It's about Andrew and Tricia who were more than their records. two lives that mattered — and a justice system that struggled to protect their memory.
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The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and do not necessarily reflect the views of any affiliated organizations. All suspects are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. This podcast is intended for informational and entertainment purposes only and should not be considered as legal advice or a substitute for professional consultation.
*Show Notes
Retired prosecutor says 'female Charles Manson' deserves freedom
HULL v. STATE (2003) | FindLaw
Georgetown students seek to exonerate Indiana prisoner Sarah Jo Pender
Sarah Jo Pender asks for mercy 25 years after double murder conviction | Court TV
'Female Charles Manson' Sarah Jo Pender featured on Investigation Discovery










































